What if Taylor Swift lyrics hold the answers to web dev questions? Podcast app thoughts, using Cloudflare Zaraz, what we're excited about with CSS, Arc browser updates, and are we even developers or are we specialized systems whisperers?

There's a special guest on the show who takes aim at the billionaires in web dev, do we know better than the algorithm for news, why is AI training data such a secret, Chris and Dave discover JetBrains, monorepo struggles, and SVG drawing tools.

Chris previews a bit of his Render ATL 2023 talk, and then we mouth blog some color ideas, thoughts, and shame you for your non-HD websites.

Dave doesn't hate the hurdy-gurdy, but it's creation is an interesting parallel to software development. OKLCH follow up, @media, Edge drops new dev tools, CSS and Astro theming, JavaScript devs discover PHP, how many people block ads, and accessibility and grids.

How should a podcast start? Talking View transitions, Google's Baseline, Passkeys, how to start a company, and ordering a spicy chicken combo at Wendy's.

What do you do if your computer dies? Chris applies to work at Luro, Dave applies at CodePen, Dave's Zod curious, TypeScript, sorting out a 10MB blog post, and how much do you miss jQuery?

Macho Man Randy Standards stops by for a quick chat, Passkeys follow up, discussing the safety of Display: contents, the yellow fade technique, how hot CSS is right now (so hot), and a check in on how everyone's doing with Tears of the Kingdom.

How do you point out things in a UI? Are Arc Boosts the end of the web? What do you think of VR and AR / Vision Pro and Meta Quest? And what do you do when the sticky header goes missing?

We're talking Dave's new haircut, playing Hondo, what Dave uses for images on his bookshelf page, lazy-loading thoughts, vh vw follow up, eyeball tracking updates, loading website with js, Vue transitions, charging for API access, and do you cross post, one post, or no post on social media in 2023?

Do you listen at 2x? Do Chris and Dave sound weird at normal speed IRL? How searching compares to using AI, chatbots kind of suck at context, getting a designer to work with developers at an agency, what happened to content visibility, and how to best build a design system using web components.

Chris breaks out his banjo, some thoughts on making music vs recording music, what happened to Google Reader and social reading, what black box properties can't Dave or Chris remember, follow up for dev teams communicating with designers, and what's Adobe going to do about Figma?

Bluesky adds first class support for urls as a username, text-wrap pretty update, sqwunching text update, should CSS spit out errors, anchor functionality, what does the edge mean, eSports and bowling, how to test websites on slower CPUs, and what does proxy or reverse proxy mean?

We're talking how we stay online - or not - on vacation, is create-guten-block the future for us WP developers? Can we get a state of the web component address from the President of web components? Have we seen the last new browser engine? And deciding whether to add features or remove them from your app.

Shawn Wang joins us to talk about his work in AI, why prompt engineering is not what you need to focus on, how the scope of AI is bigger than any one of us, how to deal with the consistency of AI, and how to make use of AI in your product or app.

Is Apple's Numbers amazing or the worst? Customer support at various levels of software, Figma and P3 color, imagining a colorspace property in CSS, what's Dave doing for productivity, how has offloading CSS Tricks affected Chris, and should we build different websites for mobile vs desktop?

Have you ever been an auctioneer? Sometimes when God closes a shed, he opens a sauna. Dave's working on the one day build theory, how to market with fake data, an update on the Discord, marketing with a spicy slug, what we want to see next in CSS, and thoughts on component libraries.

We're talking the State of CSS Survey, 2023 Edition, with Chen Hui Jing. What was it like helping develop the survey? A bit of follow up on regions, the benefits of being able to tell the browser what you want, language issues in developing and understanding CSS, the struggle for non-majority users, CSS frameworks, and more.

Dave calls a quick Luro branding meeting, some thoughts on DevRel, Chris tries to figure out musical instrument mics, follow up on WordPress from a previous episode, Chris' journey through the social graph options, 100 year hosting with WordPress, and the introduction of a new segment: Happy Project Share Time.

Getting tripped up on audio at conferences, announcing the ShopTalk Show Lifetime Plan, some Once pricing #hotdrama, remembering Molly Holzschlag, web components, Luro launch day thoughts, and a question about using a normalize or sanitize in 2023 prompts a run through of Andy Bell's Modern CSS Reset.

Maggie Appleton talks with us about her work at Elicit, working with large and small language models, how humans vet the responses from AI, the discussion around the Soggoth meme in AI, using Discord as UI, what to do if your boss wants AI in your app, and why does she call her blog a digital garden?

Fred K. Schott stops by to talk about building community, open source and sponsorship, building on partnerships in the dev community, WordPress + Astro, view transitions, using Discord for support, and leaking secret Astro Studio details.

Chris redesigned his blog, using sounds on your website to make it seem fancy, what can't automated accessibility tests test, and what's new in Safari 17.

Manton Reece, creator of Micro.blog, stops by to talk about the history of Micro.blog, what it's written in, how it handles feeds coming in and going out, cross-posting, authentication, and the somewhat hidden features of Micro.blog: bookmarking, bookshelves, and even podcasting.

Ethan Marcotte is here to talk about his new book, You Deserve a Tech Union, and discusses topics such as why we need unions in tech, who gets to be in the union, how unions can help deal with the AI question, union busting, and some arguments against unions.

Elliot Marquez talks with us about the history of Polymer and Lit, why you should pick Lit, working with web components, the shadow dom, managing state, and how Material design is built with web components.

A quick bit of union news follow up, CSS function round up, Read It Later inside Feedbin, fun uses for a Stream Deck+, how to turn up the money dial in your own business, and having the audacity to call yourself a publisher.

Miriam Suzanne stops by to talk about CSS updates and news on container queries, rolling out cascade layers, !important things to remember, custom properties, exit animations, CSS functions, state queries, and more.

Talking web components, progressive enhancement, style-able components, having to pay before you get to see a demo, being annoyed at the business of SEO, and subscriptions vs ads.

In this episode we're discussing making tech videos, website tinkering, :has tricks, SVG path commands, and the complexities of CSS & JavaScript logic.

Blood pressure, stress, and COVID highlight the MedTalk Show portion of this episode, a new "Did You Know" segment about dev tools in Chrome, 4 hour video on plagiarism and code grifters, typography, breaking out of CSS Grid, the oldest things Chris and Dave worked on, and what the testing process is like at Luro or CodePen.

Looking back at the year of AI, using Arc on macOS and now Windows, dreaming of subscriptions, and knowing how to be mad about the right thing.

We're closing in on episode 600 and need your help to celebrate! Listen in to learn how to contribute to the episode. We're also talking GitHub desktop apps and code editors, how many VS Code plugins are needed, reading long form like Poor Charlie's Almanack, InVision shutting down, and answering our first Q of the year: how would you approach learning web development in 2024?

Jen Simmons, Apple Evangelist on the Web Developer Experience team for Safari & Webkit, stops by to talk about what Interop is, and a look ahead at new CSS features in Webkit and Safari such as JPEG XL, masks, a round function, JavaScript improvements, styling form controls, content unblocks, masonry, and more!

Dave and Chris discuss indie web culture, the role of social media in today's society, and the challenges and strategies of freelancing. Additionally, they discuss a range of topics from content moderation, coding and refining tech skills, to emerging startups and the future of web technology.

Voiceover pays us a visit, we talk about what accessibility really means, the difficulty of closing a dialogue element, web components at work, and jQuery 4 is out.

Josh (or Jsoh) stops by to talk about his work at Deno, recent blog posts on Copilot, why Svelte is awesome and React is not, Apple and PWA, and building word games on the web.

Jim Nielsen joins us to about URLs and linking as the new subversive way to maintain the web, paying for news in Canada, should content creators be worried about AI, the case for design engineers, RSS in HTML, and the state of state and UI.

Fred K. Schott stops by to talk about Astro announcement of Astro DB, the pluses and minuses of it, whether you have to always use the database with Astro DB, how to migrate data, seeding your database, upgrading the database, and what about Astro DB pricing?

We're opening up the ShopTalk mailbag and answering your questions, including does WordPress on your resume kill your job chances, what are our fav and least fav parts of web dev, our thoughts on HTMX, and what is it like to use pnpm instead of npm.

Dave's about to be eclipsed, the state of TypeScript in 2024, signals stage zero proposal, corrections on accessibility in frameworks (thanks!), web apps for better collaborative writing, getting productivity sniped, the problem with email may be you, indieweb follow up, and ultimate guitar tab apps.

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We've got follow up on Cloudflare and Cara from last episode, a question about setting up Prettier and auto linting, a cool tool from a listener on comparing colors, a question about using tooling like Craft or more user friendly apps like Webflow when working with clients, and our takes on accessibility overlays.

We're talking website rendering, server side rendering, Astro's server islands, perf hits for navigation elements, updating software because the docs aren't available for older versions, and a new Microsoft Edge was released.

We're talking about assigning a weight to items in a layout, differentiating between banger posts and regular blog posts, using social engineering to get PR's accepted, monorepo thoughts, using CoPilot vs other AI programming support bots, has TypeScript benefited from AI, and what happens if you turn off CoPilot?

On this epsiode we're talking about the current state of blogging and social media, the polyfill hack, whether in app browsers should be banned, web components and the difficulty of front end web dev, and how we would go about teaching CSS from scratch in 2024.

Dave's putting together a platform for his presidential bid and workshops his policies, discussing vehicle options for a family in 2024, Chris and other authors get ownership of their A Book Apart books back, and the ramifications and reasoning behind Google killing a URL shortener.

Chris has some follow up on blog posts and past podcast episodes to respond to including browsers and browser engines, advertising on the web, magazines, Cara, peak AI slop, and view transitions.

Chris brings some blog posts to talk about including being comfortable with the struggle of developer life, Cloudflare Workers + monorepos, vibe driven development, and questions about database migrations, and whether we think AI free blogs are going to be a rarity in the future?

Doc told me to travel but there's COVID on the planes, Dave's got a 2x life update, how often do you manage or prune your RSS feed subscriptions, checking in on Code Hike and their fine grained Markdown approach, JavaScript decorators use case, and using Cloudflare R2 for image storage.

A bit of follow-up on vibe driven development and JavaScript not causing The Great Divide, writing testing automation, global design systems and web components, could PHP be used for web components, what if view transitions are going to be everywhere, and frontend engineer vs design systems engineer job titles and descriptions.